Muddy Waters

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  The Bible or God? - A Message to Formerbrother

  by David_Jay in

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  2. beliefs

  “i still can not find any other option that comes as close to all the bible as jws do.”-- from the profile of formerbrother.. this is lengthy, but it should help you, formerbrother.

  the problem is not in your search for this "option" but that you are searching according the criteria set out by the jehovah’s witnesses (and likely following the reasoning set out by their claims).. before proceeding, understand clearly (as there will always be someone reading this that will skip this point that i make) that i am not writing to advance any particular religious view.

  though raised and baptized as a jehovah’s witness in my late teen years, i am jewish.

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  Muddy Waters

  Fascinating post, David Jay! It was worth reading through it, very interesting and full of new thoughts for me!
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  "50 Years a Watchtower Slave" Chapter 7 part A

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  chapter 7. easy to join tough to leave .

  so even though jehovah’s witnesses are pacifist there are some people the witnesses actually do hate.

  the people they hate the most, are former jehovah’s witnesses.

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  Muddy Waters

  I really enjoy your writing and reading your experiences.

  However, I take exception to your phrase, "a bunch of Germans" (from Pennysylvania). I hale from a large, loving and wonderful heritage of Germans/Austrians (except for some obvious extremists, eg WW2)

  Let us not put everybody into a limiting, discriminatory bad box!
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  CBC Canada - Jehovah's Witnesses: Internal judicial process 'catastrophic' for members alleging child sex abuse

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovah's witnesses: internal judicial process 'catastrophic' for members alleging child sex abuse.

  radio-canada's enquête investigates allegations that the closed religious movement fails to protect children.

  cbc news posted: dec 01, 2016 5:00 am et.

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  Muddy Waters

  "How many elders believe the victim is to blame or willingly participated in the act?"

  
  

  Gah, This clueless question makes my blood boil!! They are such clueless idiots. You know, I hate to say this, but being a JW (thankfully, EX-jw!!) has made me understand the mindset of other extremists, like ISIS and Jim Jones followers, and how they can be so absolutely clueless and full of "blame-the-victim" mentality.... Clueless hateful fracking idiots.
  
  
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  Sheeplike?? A Christian Requirement or WT Controlling mechanism?

  by BluesBrother in

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  2. beliefs

  when we were practising witnesses we heard a lot about the need to be "sheeplike" , having a sheeplike attitude and personality .

  a typical comment might be :.

  "lasting peace & happiness just ahead" 2009 p 30.

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  Muddy Waters

  Ha! Love your comment, Steve! They sure are the equivalent of the pot calling the kettle black!!

  (And, feeling silly for a moment -- I could phrase the above comment to you in JW speak: "Yes, and I thought Brother Steve's comment was interesting because it highlights the hypocrisy of the clergy while helping to shed light on ways we can improve ourselves.") Bwhahahaha!!!!

  - Muddy

  Oh, and as I see my comment to you is now on page two, I will copy and paste your reply, which partially quoted the other poster:

  ... "But any failure or mistakes on the part of certain elders would not justify an insubordinate attitude on our part."
  

  On the basis of this superficial reasoning, people in other religious groups should not hold their clergy to account - but see them as imperfect men who make mistakes. - Steve2
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  Al Capone vs. Judge Rutherford

  by Farkel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith alone...for as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also" - james 2: 24, 26

  al capone vs. judge rutherford

  al capone gained his power by exploiting the weaknesses of people.. judge rutherford gained his power by exploiting the weaknesses of people.

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  Muddy Waters

  These are great comparisons, and reveals much about the "esteemed" Rutherford.

  Farkle, thank you, may you rest in peace.
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  The Cult of Four "Just Imperfect" Men

  by Farkel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the cult of four "just imperfect" men.

  (please move on to the next thread, fluffers.

  move on!

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  Muddy Waters

  Excellent post from Farkle, may he rest in peace.

  Bumping!
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  Barb Anderson relates amazing info about Knorr, also Senior Bethel Writers

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  "is it possible that many of the organizational sexual policies began when (in the late 70s early 80s?

  ) some of the people at bethel and even some of the gb were found out to be visiting gay bars?

  i did hear about some bethelites visiting gay bars or engaging in homosexual acts in the late 70s and early 80s and were asked to leave bethel.

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  Muddy Waters

  Wow, great and informative info and history here!
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  "50 Years a Watchtower Slave" Chapter 4

  by new boy in

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  2. experiences

  chapter 4. part of becoming a jehovah’s witnesses was finding out how evil the holidays are.

  4. publisher.

  a person that puts in a minimum of 100 hours a month (hours have been lowered over the years) in field service a month.

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  Muddy Waters

  Nice. Good writing! -- you have a very readable style of writing. I always look forward to and enjoy reading your experiences.
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  2016 death of my father who told me don't come back if your a Witness...still hurts my soul! Warning you all!!

  by Witness 007 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i last spoke to my father in march 1990. we finished a "quick build" kingdom hall and i had a 17 year old spiritual awakening and decided to drop high school to pioneer full time.

  (yes i was a dumb ass) he was not happy since my parents were divorced he was catholic.

  we had a arguement and he said stay in school get a degree...and dont come back if your a witness!!

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  Muddy Waters

  Thank you, Scratchme.... your words resonated very much for me as well.

  I don't know anymore if there is a God, but if there is, may God damn the Watchtower!!!
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  2016 death of my father who told me don't come back if your a Witness...still hurts my soul! Warning you all!!

  by Witness 007 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i last spoke to my father in march 1990. we finished a "quick build" kingdom hall and i had a 17 year old spiritual awakening and decided to drop high school to pioneer full time.

  (yes i was a dumb ass) he was not happy since my parents were divorced he was catholic.

  we had a arguement and he said stay in school get a degree...and dont come back if your a witness!!

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  Muddy Waters

  I am so sorry.... This is hard shit .... I too crapped all over my sweet, dear, wonderful non-JW family for DECADES while I was a self-righteous, smarmy "true Christian" --- I lost my mom last year, and the loss of her is so exquisitely painful that some days I almost can't stand it or myself.

  Regret and guilt are the way we "haunt" ourselves with their memory, and they are big terrible demons to contend with....

  Yet continually kicking ourself is not healthy.... I try to remind myself that I thought I was being "faithful" and trying to do the "right" things, living a life "that was pleasing to Jehovah" .... and that I was in a f'ing CULT...!!!

  Most of my memories of my dear mother are from CHILDHOOD, as I became a JW when I was around 20 and finally woke up nearly 30 years later....

  ... All those decades of never wishing her a happy Mother's Day, no Christmases , no birthdays.... She could never celebrate those things with my kids, her only grandchildren.

  Oh gawd. This is very hard to come to terms with, I think it will be a wound on my heart always....

  But some days the pain does lessen and is not so sharp and damning.... She loved me and my JW-self treated her (and all my non-JW family) like crap.... Regret, guilt and shame keep us tied to the past, stops us from moving forward.... It will be hard, but remembering this helps me treat all the dear people in my life with more love and compassion.

  I try to remember the things my mom taught me, the words and phrases she used (I write down all my memories of her in a special journal...) and this helps somewhat.

  Every day I still tell her in my heart how sorry I am and how much I miss her....

  We live with the good parts and asshole parts of ourself.... Being a "spiritual" Jehovah's Witness is being a special kind of terrible, detached, disconnected asshole shithead.... (You know, I still don't really swear except when I start talking about being a JW!!) but remember, WE WERE MISLED, we were lied to... We were betrayed, and in turn, betrayed others.

  I do understand and hear you... I feel this terrible pain and grief too.... and I'm sure that many other ex-JWs understand and feel this, too. You are not alone.

  There will be sweet, wonderful, happy moments in your life again, but yes, there will always be this ache in your heart ... Let that pain help you not to be an asshole any more. Become "the best person of yourself" -- that phrase is from a motto from my grandchildren's school -- a Catholic school.

  I have a friend who is into Bhuddism, she tells me that her belief is that we're all put here to learn something.....

  I wish you peace ... and many condolences.